Robert Wringham ([info]wringham) wrote,
@ 2007-11-06 09:01:00
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Cauliflower Ear

This weekend I spent an evening in my favourite pub. As a point of fact it's not actually a pub at all - it's a private club. I'm not a member though so I don't have one of the magic keys required to get in. Instead I hang around the doorstep with the smokers until someone opens the door. Taking my cue, I dash inside faster than an oiled-up chimp.

My nom-de-plume is written a hundred times in the guest book. Take that, society.

On the upper floor, some sort of live musical event was going on and after some drinks, a librarian friend and I decided to go up to see what was indeed what. Apparently she knew the guy vending the tickets and he would let us in for a few minutes for free. This night, it seemed, was all about subterfuge.

Once in, I noticed a chap standing stock still on the dance floor, drinking beer on his own. He wasn't part of the band but he appeared to know them and to me he seemed very familiar.

After a short while it occurred to me that he works in my local fruit and veg shop. It's quite a sobering experience to spot your greengrocer on a Friday night. When a drunken superman, you don't want to be reminded of how, during civil hours, you pretend to weigh up the benefits between varieties of lemongrass but don't in truth have the foggiest idea what the difference might be.

"Hello," I said, "You work in the fuit shop".

"Hello," he said, "You shop in the fruit shop. You and your broken arm."

After a while it occurred to me that he was not the only greengrocer in my vicinity. The guy on bass guitar was a greengrocer and the guy in the ticket booth was also a greengrocer. The place was swarming with the blighters. I had found the nest.

The girl on keyboards also seemed familiar and I had concluded that I recognized her from my work at the university library but now I think about it, she too was a greengrocer. A she-grocer. She had once undercharged me for some basil pesto.

This was a bit awkward. In truth, the head greengrocer and I had seen each other in pubs and on the street before but we had always ignored each other. Acknowledging each other's existence outside of the world of vegetables would violate the patron/greengrocer code of social conduct.

"Well," I said, I shall see you around. Next time I want a pineapple I'll come and say Hi".

My librarian friend and I went back downstairs to our fellows. That's how it works at this place. Librarians downstairs, greengrocers in the attic. It's got a very high gini coeficient for a single premises.

Later in the evening, I was having a wee in one of the toilets, the cubicle door hanging open in a carefree manner. That's the kind of party animal I am.

Suddenly, someone starts talking to me.

It is the head greengrocer, washing his hands at the sink. It is encouraging to see him doing so, I think, as he has responsibilty for handling my mushrooms. I can't hear what he's saying though so I wonder over to him.

"This had better be good," I say, tipsy, "I put my willy away for this".

He tells me about the greengrocer band. He's not in the one I had witnessed upstairs ("Electronica? Pah!") but rather he is in an entirely separate greengrocer band which plays heavy metal.

I suggest to him a few fruit-and-veg band names he could use. The Vegetables. The fruits. The Smashing Pumpkins. Cauliflower Ear. My personal favourite is 'Part Zucchini' but he doesn't like any of them.

I tell him he's actually a bit of a local celebrity - the fanciable greengrocer - but that I think people get carried away when they're in such close proximity to so many courgettes.

His friend, the bass player, is at the urinal and he asks if people fancy him too. I say "No, you're known as the grosser grocer".

On this note, I go back to doing my wee.




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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-06 01:22 pm UTC (link)
This must be one of the best entries you have ever written. A keeper it is. I really snickered at "I had found the nest". You even paint the situation quite absurdly. :)

Did these bands have songs about vegetables then? Call any vegetable!

Ever met any former teacher at the pub? I recall when one of my teachers said that it was quite a horrible experience to be in the pub and get the question: "What, are you here?!" by his students as if they thought he was immortal only because he was a teacher. He would've liked to answer that question: "Yeah, I am mortal, and tomorrow I am going to take a poop! A poop!"

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[info]wringham
2007-11-06 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Cap!

I've actually been to the pub a few times with some old university lecturers. Being intelligent booze hounds they make for good company usually!

As it happens the pub (club) in this entry is for university staff/students. So it's full of lecturers. None of mine though. Different university.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-06 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I've been to something similar in Uppsala. These pubs are operated entirely by the students. In the morning they have a café and in the night there is more of a pub/club. Though, I was not allowed to be there either. Even got to meet on of it's perpetual students (that was in his thirties!).

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[info]wringham
2007-11-07 01:15 pm UTC (link)
I love the idea of being a professional student. Doing nothing but studying and talking to interesting people and living in the library and growing your hair. It's certainly one escape route.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-07 01:58 pm UTC (link)
What stopped you from doin it then? Are there many restrictions in England against this?

Dunno about here in Sweden, but that guy who was a professional student he was close to 30 or something.

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[info]wringham
2007-11-07 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Well, the reason *anyone* can afford to be a student at all is because the government pays for your degree and the bank gives you a student loan for your food and accomodation.

Sadly, you can only really do this once. The debt from the loan would be too huge to take out many times and the government aren't about to pay for more than one degree.

So it's a money issue.

I've met professional students though so there must be a way out presumably. Or perhaps they aer just very well off.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-07 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I asked about the students up there if they had taken any loans, which they had. Myself I am trying to avoid it by working now some before taking on any course or a degree of sort.

Hmm, but isn't it so that one doesn't have to pay his/her student loan until after the degree has been accomplished and it is time to get out working in the real world? The there is no problem to do it, you just have to change what you want to have a degree in.

So, did you use the student loan function? What does a student spend it on?

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[info]wringham
2007-11-08 09:14 am UTC (link)
Practical Rule #1 of being an Idler is to stay out of debt.Once you're under you'll have to keep working to pay it off. In the UK, most people don't finish paying their student loans until well into their 30s!

Me? I took the loan but didn't spend it. It's currently sitting in a high-interest bank account making me money! Take that, society!

What do students spend it on? Most of it goes on accommodation. You need a place to live for three years. What students never seem to realise however is that student accommodation is a rip-off! It's really expensive and you have to share with loads of other people and they are usually pretty squalid. Personally, I lived with my mum for a while and then just got my own place.

I suppose students spend a lot of money on food, coffee and alcohol too. My way around this was to get a part-time job in a coffee house - not only do you get paid, you get all the food you can eat. Ho ho.

You just need to think about these things and soon you'll see a way out.

I could very well do another degree but I'd lose all of the money I've saved my not spending my loan and I'd also lose my place on the library career ladder. I have promised myself to give this career thing a decent shot before giving up and becoming a vagabond philosopher or some such.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-08 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Smart move with putting it to the bank. I have never had a debt in my whole life as I can remember. If there are no funds, don't give a shit by then and wait.

Hmm, now when you say it, looking up the market of student acommodation would be a smart move for the future.

Live an ascetic life in other words. No problem. There are so many things a student don't need.

Thanks for the advice!

I say good luck to your career plans. Hmm, don't you think you're a vagabond philosopher halfway already?

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[info]wringham
2007-11-08 09:25 pm UTC (link)
I say good luck to your career plans. Hmm, don't you think you're a vagabond philosopher halfway already?

You flatter me, sir! (Unless you're just calling me a tramp!)

I have received the covers for the magazine. They look fantastic! I need the time now to print the insides and put them all together. I'll do your ones first (and those for the other writers) and then the review copies for other magazines to look at. And then what's left we'll sell to make our money back.

But I re-read the whole thing tonight in printed form (so one copy now exists!) and it reads well and feels nice in the hands. So I'm very happy with it.

It's not 100% perfect though. But I've learned some lessons and will make sure #2 is perfect.

I'll email you a copy of the final covers.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-09 03:56 pm UTC (link)
You flatter me, sir! (Unless you're just calling me a tramp!)

I make paralells to something Homer Simpson might've said. There was no reference to calling you a tramp!


I have received the covers for the magazine. They look fantastic! I need the time now to print the insides and put them all together. I'll do your ones first (and those for the other writers) and then the review copies for other magazines to look at. And then what's left we'll sell to make our money back.

But I re-read the whole thing tonight in printed form (so one copy now exists!) and it reads well and feels nice in the hands. So I'm very happy with it.

It's not 100% perfect though. But I've learned some lessons and will make sure #2 is perfect.


Wow, sounds great. Even though it is not perfect it is, as we might've discussed before, a zine with much better quality than the avarage zines.

I also now know another place to put the zine on display up in Stockholm where tons of other zinesters have their zines on display.

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[info]wringham
2007-11-09 04:44 pm UTC (link)
I think Stockholm might be a far more zine-friendly city than Glasgow or Edinburgh. There are very few places to sell zines here.

The problems with sending them to you in Sweden is that the cost of postage will remove any chance of making any money.

I'm not too bothered about getting #1 into the shops. As I say, it's not perfect so I might wait until #2 before releasing it upon the retail world. I've only printed 100 copies so they should sell OK through the website alone.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-09 06:49 pm UTC (link)
The place I am thinking of is the most well known café for youths in Stockholm. The zine can be left there for being loaned by the kids and in one way or another will make someone pay attention to it's webpage and such. Quite frankly, I dunno much about the Swedish zine scene. Currently on the lookout for Swedish zines to contribute to.

That's a smart move. We'll see what happens within three months of it's initial release.

How many issues will be left after you've sent some to me and the rest of the contributors?

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[info]wringham
2007-11-12 11:42 am UTC (link)
How many issues will be left after you've sent some to me and the rest of the contributors?

I've not done the maths yet but each contributor should get a copy (17 people minus myself) plus copies for reviewers and one for the British Library. We should have about 80 left to sell.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-13 03:12 pm UTC (link)
Plus the ones I was going to promote the zine with here in Sweden.

But, okay, then I know.

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[info]wringham
2007-11-14 06:58 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I think it will still be okay to do that. It's a great idea anyhoo. It depends on postage cost though.

Alternatively, do you have a way to run your own printing press in Sweden? All you need is a black and white lazer printer. I could send you the covers.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-15 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Check the cost first. My printing possiblities are not limited and I can get on with that as soon as I have a job to fund myself with ink. If you send me everything I need I can give it a try!

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[info]wringham
2007-11-16 01:23 pm UTC (link)
I think that would be a really good idea. I'd be interested in getting a printer in other countries.

You could keep any money you make from selling them to friends/shops etc. This would hopefully cover the cost of ink eventually.

So it would be like a zine franchise!

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-16 06:50 pm UTC (link)
It would be much more convenient for you, yeah. But ink ain't cheap! 600 kr for black, red, yellow and blue ink. That is £60 sort of. How much is it in the UK?

Not a bad idea with a franchise. It is a very effective business model used by companies such as McDonalds down to the crack dealers. Seriously.

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[info]wringham
2007-11-17 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Well, you won't need colour ink. Just mono. The cover is colour but I can probably afford to send you those. You'll just need to print the insides.

I think, if you are willing and can afford the initial ink cartridge, we can try this franchise idea and if it works we can try it in other countries too.

If you want to just try it with a few issues first, you could always print at a local library or something.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-20 02:31 pm UTC (link)
Well, send the stuff over and I'll contact you as soon as I've made an attempt. Is there a hurry?

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[info]wringham
2007-11-20 02:41 pm UTC (link)
No hurry at all, silly! It's just an idea. And it might make you a bit of money if it works out.

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[info]cap_scaleman
2007-11-24 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Haha, okey okey! I gladly do it, but the money is no importance to me. :)

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[info]caf_pow
2007-11-06 04:00 pm UTC (link)
another great entree!

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[info]wringham
2007-11-07 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, chief. Hardly any comments on this one though. Weird as I kinda enjoyed this one. Anyhoo, they're not really Neilson ratings.

Glad you enjoyed it though!

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